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	<title>Comments for Iggy Pop's Leg blog</title>
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	<description>Thoughts and reflection on web 2.0, information literacy and anything shiny and new that catches my eye</description>
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		<title>Comment on Watch and learn by ostephens</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/watch-and-learn/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>ostephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The University of Auckland tutorial is incredibly well thought out and produced.

BUT (a big but) - it emphasises to me how broken some of this stuff is:
Why is the reading list not accessible online?
Why does he have to go to a dedicated computer, not access from his mobile?
Why does he have to omit the word &#039;The&#039; from the title search - why is this not just ignored (like Google) or part of the search

I could probably go on, but I shouldn&#039;t. What they have done here is the right thing - a tutorial to allows students to get the most out of their library service. I just find it frustrating that the service isn&#039;t more attuned to their needs in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The University of Auckland tutorial is incredibly well thought out and produced.</p>
<p>BUT (a big but) &#8211; it emphasises to me how broken some of this stuff is:<br />
Why is the reading list not accessible online?<br />
Why does he have to go to a dedicated computer, not access from his mobile?<br />
Why does he have to omit the word &#8216;The&#8217; from the title search &#8211; why is this not just ignored (like Google) or part of the search</p>
<p>I could probably go on, but I shouldn&#8217;t. What they have done here is the right thing &#8211; a tutorial to allows students to get the most out of their library service. I just find it frustrating that the service isn&#8217;t more attuned to their needs in the first place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dead 2.0 by Andrew Day</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/dead-20/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the sound of &#039;WebPlatform&#039;, as that seems to be the way that things are going and &#039;WebRevolution&#039;, which you could shorten to WebRev? Not sure about Weblutions though, it sounds like a noun for the act of using a laptop in the bath!

In terms &#039;2.0, 3.0&#039; terms, I was wondering how relevant they would be when we&#039;re trying to introduce technologies related to web 2.0 to staff and students who aren&#039;t familar with the marketing/technological spheres that &#039;Web 2.0&#039; as a term relates to. Certanily when I&#039;ve been to training days based on Web 2.0 technologies it&#039;s not been the &#039;Web 2.0&#039; thats&#039; struck me as describing what I&#039;ve learnt about so much as ideas of community, collaboration, syndication and easy access to and production of media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the sound of &#8216;WebPlatform&#8217;, as that seems to be the way that things are going and &#8216;WebRevolution&#8217;, which you could shorten to WebRev? Not sure about Weblutions though, it sounds like a noun for the act of using a laptop in the bath!</p>
<p>In terms &#8216;2.0, 3.0&#8242; terms, I was wondering how relevant they would be when we&#8217;re trying to introduce technologies related to web 2.0 to staff and students who aren&#8217;t familar with the marketing/technological spheres that &#8216;Web 2.0&#8242; as a term relates to. Certanily when I&#8217;ve been to training days based on Web 2.0 technologies it&#8217;s not been the &#8216;Web 2.0&#8242; thats&#8217; struck me as describing what I&#8217;ve learnt about so much as ideas of community, collaboration, syndication and easy access to and production of media.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dead 2.0 by ostephens</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/dead-20/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>ostephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this week&#039;s Guardian Tech Weekly Podcast (http://www.guardian.co.uk/techweekly) there is an interview with Tim O&#039;Reilly, usually regarded as the person who coined Web 2.0 (although in the podcast he reveals who actually did). What is interesting is that he saw Web 2.0 as a way of &#039;marketing&#039; the web after the dot com bubble burst.

The use of 2.0 is clearly to appeal to the &#039;tech&#039; population - using the terminology of software releases to refer to the next &#039;version&#039; of the web. As you say 3.0 has already been used a bit, although if anything this is less focussed than Web 2.0 - which is already very unclear in its scope!

So - what will we use next? Although &#039;new and useful technologies&#039; has a certain Ronseal charm, not sure it is going to catch on as a marketing term. Here are some suggestions just for fun:

WebNG
WebPlatform
DataWeb
Weblutions
WebЯevolution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this week&#8217;s Guardian Tech Weekly Podcast (<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/techweekly" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/techweekly</a>) there is an interview with Tim O&#8217;Reilly, usually regarded as the person who coined Web 2.0 (although in the podcast he reveals who actually did). What is interesting is that he saw Web 2.0 as a way of &#8216;marketing&#8217; the web after the dot com bubble burst.</p>
<p>The use of 2.0 is clearly to appeal to the &#8216;tech&#8217; population &#8211; using the terminology of software releases to refer to the next &#8216;version&#8217; of the web. As you say 3.0 has already been used a bit, although if anything this is less focussed than Web 2.0 &#8211; which is already very unclear in its scope!</p>
<p>So &#8211; what will we use next? Although &#8216;new and useful technologies&#8217; has a certain Ronseal charm, not sure it is going to catch on as a marketing term. Here are some suggestions just for fun:</p>
<p>WebNG<br />
WebPlatform<br />
DataWeb<br />
Weblutions<br />
WebЯevolution</p>
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		<title>Comment on Digital natives and immigrants vs residents and visitors by ostephens</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/digital-natives-and-immigrants-vs-natives-and-visitors/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>ostephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a little correction - it&#039;s Andy Powell, not Paul.

I would also characterise myself as between the two somehow although towards the resident end (perhaps I&#039;m a digital timeshare?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a little correction &#8211; it&#8217;s Andy Powell, not Paul.</p>
<p>I would also characterise myself as between the two somehow although towards the resident end (perhaps I&#8217;m a digital timeshare?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on First we had bloodlust, then wanderlust, now: technolust by ostephens</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/first-we-had-bloodlust-then-wanderlust-now-technolust/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>ostephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with the stuff that Michael says (and usually says very well), balancing the &#039;planning and preparation&#039; stuff he advocates - e.g. environmental scans, timelines - against the &#039;getting on a doing stuff&#039; approach he also advocates - e.g. beta is your friend.

I think this is the crux of point 7 in the article you link to &quot;Overthink and die&quot; - but it is much more difficult in practice than in theory I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the stuff that Michael says (and usually says very well), balancing the &#8216;planning and preparation&#8217; stuff he advocates &#8211; e.g. environmental scans, timelines &#8211; against the &#8216;getting on a doing stuff&#8217; approach he also advocates &#8211; e.g. beta is your friend.</p>
<p>I think this is the crux of point 7 in the article you link to &#8220;Overthink and die&#8221; &#8211; but it is much more difficult in practice than in theory I think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;I named my web 2.0 site after the last five pieces of Alphabetti left on my plate&#8217; by Andrew Day</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/genius-web-20-or-star-wars-quiz/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...or maybe there are so many -oogle, -sta, -ka and -ku style names that they just don&#039;t stick out any more? Once something starts to shift into the realm of self parody then it&#039;s probably time to stop and do something else. I do wonder sometimes if the focus groups that come up with site names involve the head of marketing donning a suit of armour and rolling around in a pile of alphabet fridge magnets until a suitably &#039;-oogley&#039; combination of letters sticks to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;or maybe there are so many -oogle, -sta, -ka and -ku style names that they just don&#8217;t stick out any more? Once something starts to shift into the realm of self parody then it&#8217;s probably time to stop and do something else. I do wonder sometimes if the focus groups that come up with site names involve the head of marketing donning a suit of armour and rolling around in a pile of alphabet fridge magnets until a suitably &#8216;-oogley&#8217; combination of letters sticks to them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;I named my web 2.0 site after the last five pieces of Alphabetti left on my plate&#8217; by Debbie</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/genius-web-20-or-star-wars-quiz/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is 84% sad enough to be impressive? I think the test has backfired somewhat; I now want to start a web 2.0 site and call it &#039;dooku&#039; (sorry Andrew - though you can rest assured I don&#039;t have the technical skill). It&#039;s also interesting in that most of the ones I recognise are the Star Wars ones - some of the web 2.0 ones clearly have more promotional work to do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is 84% sad enough to be impressive? I think the test has backfired somewhat; I now want to start a web 2.0 site and call it &#8216;dooku&#8217; (sorry Andrew &#8211; though you can rest assured I don&#8217;t have the technical skill). It&#8217;s also interesting in that most of the ones I recognise are the Star Wars ones &#8211; some of the web 2.0 ones clearly have more promotional work to do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;I named my web 2.0 site after the last five pieces of Alphabetti left on my plate&#8217; by Andrew Day</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/genius-web-20-or-star-wars-quiz/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I scored around the same and I think it would have been near impossible to be male and 20+ without having at least a working knowledge of Star Wars, so I&#039;d add myself as c) more Wookiee than Facebooky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I scored around the same and I think it would have been near impossible to be male and 20+ without having at least a working knowledge of Star Wars, so I&#8217;d add myself as c) more Wookiee than Facebooky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on For those of you thinking &#8216;you know what, there really should be more Google on the web&#8217;: Google Chrome by ostephens</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/for-those-of-you-thinking-you-know-what-there-really-should-be-more-google-on-the-web-google-chrome/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>ostephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m definitely a fan of Chrome - the speed is the main selling point, and I&#039;m not a big FF extension user. There are a few other nice touches - I like the homepage concept (this is a bit like Opera&#039;s speed-dial feature, but dynamic - and in fact one of the 3 FF extensions I use is one that replicates the Opera speed-dial function). I also think the &#039;Find in page&#039; function is even better than FF - and actually this is (for me) one of the key advantages that FF has over IE (whose &#039;Find&#039; function is just the worst thing ever)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely a fan of Chrome &#8211; the speed is the main selling point, and I&#8217;m not a big FF extension user. There are a few other nice touches &#8211; I like the homepage concept (this is a bit like Opera&#8217;s speed-dial feature, but dynamic &#8211; and in fact one of the 3 FF extensions I use is one that replicates the Opera speed-dial function). I also think the &#8216;Find in page&#8217; function is even better than FF &#8211; and actually this is (for me) one of the key advantages that FF has over IE (whose &#8216;Find&#8217; function is just the worst thing ever)</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;I named my web 2.0 site after the last five pieces of Alphabetti left on my plate&#8217; by ostephens</title>
		<link>http://yadayada20.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/genius-web-20-or-star-wars-quiz/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>ostephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I scored 74% does that make me

a) a bit sad
b) not quite sad enough to be impressive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I scored 74% does that make me</p>
<p>a) a bit sad<br />
b) not quite sad enough to be impressive</p>
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